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    Posted by: MathsMA 20/12/2010 at 15:46
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    weebecka:
    A much more robust, secure and flexible understanding of mathematics for my students.

    They don't just accept what they are told, they challenge it, connect it to other ideas and, most importantly, discuss and describe it.

    But my problem is just what students these are, as looking at your CV/Profile I struggle to see where you have stayed long enough or had the time to implement these wonderful strategies (apart from the one school of choice in Cumbria) with a range of classes.

    Your last three schools spanned 3 years in total, a period of which you have mentioned you were actually not at one of the schools. Your last year is somewhat of a mystery as we have to still to understand what you have been doing and what your link is with MMU?

    So just where have you had the time, capacity and longevity to make such grandoise claims about the merits and success of these "methods"?

    Where is the emperical research, where are we to find a detailed explanation of the methods, the setting, the outcomes etc?

    I'm not entering in to an ad hominen fallacy, but I think it would be fair to say that an impartial observer would find ir rather difficult to square your claims with your experince to date.

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    Posted by: weebecka 20/12/2010 at 18:00
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    MathsMA:

    weebecka:
    If you see I was actually teaching in the UK at that time - I did this teaching during trips to the Middle East - so it was demonstration lesson and so on rather than employment.  This teaching was part of my project brief for the British Council where I was working with the Ministry for Education in Jordan.

    So now we're merely talking about demonstration lessons on ad hoc basis! That's somewhat different to what you inferring in your posts above about your "wealth of experience" in Middle Eastern schools (similarly your Little Beetles role & experiences would appear to be at odds with your earlier claims).

     

    I'm happy to provide context for the purpose of enhancing a discussion, but clearly that's not happening here. 

    I could defend myself on each point one at a time, 

    for example here I was teaching Jordanian students in state schools in front of their teachers, who afterwards got to critically analyse what I was doing (and boy were they sharp).  Following this we would spend time together, getting to know each other and chatting about the realities of their teaching, their constraints and their aspirations.

    I find this kind of teaching more illuminating that working for a while in an expat school.

     

    But the negative twisting and the accusations are coming too thick and fast to be compatible with an interesting thread MathsMA.

    So to abridge my need to work with them all, could I perhaps instead suggest that you celebrate Christmas by having an anal encounter with your festive tree, which I hope has a nice sharp pointy star on top.

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    Posted by: weebecka 20/12/2010 at 18:08
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     i.e. attack the argument or the topic, not the person.

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    Posted by: DM 20/12/2010 at 18:14
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    You can have your Xmas pressie early weebee.   We all chipped in.

     

    Get Lost, Becka!: Level 1 (Start to Read! Trade Edition Series)

     

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    Posted by: Betamale 20/12/2010 at 18:23
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    DM:

    You can have your Xmas pressie early weebee.   We all chipped in.

     

    Get Lost, Becka!: Level 1 (Start to Read! Trade Edition Series)

     

    David, David, David

    Im sure many will appreciate this, me being one of them.

    Im not sure it will hit home though as all the words on the publication only have one syllable and are easy to access by 99.9% of human beings.

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    Posted by: DM 20/12/2010 at 18:29
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    weebee's potential pictorial revenge:

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    Posted by: MathsMA 20/12/2010 at 18:32
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    weebecka:

     i.e. attack the argument or the topic, not the person.

    In general, when you have managed to respond on a topic/argument (as opposed to waffling off on a tangent and/or posting your "facilitating", read condescending, questions), people have responded (often in horror) at some of your suggestions.

    Additionally, as I have mentioned above, I'm not attempting an ad hominem attack here, instead I am merely trying to gain an understanding of where your experiences have been and how robust they are particularly when you hold them up to be a sort of panacea of teaching and learning.

    I don't think it is at all unreasonable to question your experience or experiences, particualry when they relate directly to some of your more boastful claims. You continually refer to "my students" or "my classes" and I am merely trying to ascertain just where and what these classes were, because looking at your profile I have to say I'm not overly confident that you have been around anywhere long enough to be speaking with such certainty and confidence.

    Your experiences form a central plank of your posts on here, its just that I have my doubts about the validity of your experiences and your refusal to expand on them speaks volumes to me. I'm particularly curious with regards your last three years of teaching and your work at MMU.

     

    PS If Boaler blustered on to this forum in the way you have with stories about the benefits of Mixed Ability Teaching or Williams on Formative Assessment, I would probably be just as miffed at their poor communication skills and their patronising attitude, but at least they have a plethora of experience and hard edged research to back up their opinions which might placate me somewhat. Instead judging by your profile (with its incorrect lengths of tenure at various places) you have nothing to back up your bluster.

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    Posted by: weebecka 20/12/2010 at 19:09
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    DM:

    weebee's potential pictorial revenge:

    Geeked

    I'm impressed.
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    Posted by: DM 20/12/2010 at 19:33
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    weebecka:

    DM:

    weebee's potential pictorial revenge:

    Geeked

    I'm impressed.

    I like self-deprecating humour but I'm not particularly good at it.

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    Posted by: weebecka 20/12/2010 at 19:33
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    MathsMA:
    I'm not attempting an ad hominem attack here
     

    Good good. Look MathsMA.  I just can't give you the level of details you're demanding here.  It's inappropriate.  I'm happy to meet your or others and discuss this kind of thing in an appropriate way.  I'm not covering anything up - I think in the first thread here I was very clear that I'd been HOD in a small school.  I've not been misrepresenting things.  Again, like Jordan I chose it deliberately because being head of a small dept. give you a great deal of freedom to change things rapidly and for other reasons we could discuss face to face.

    If you don't want to meet me, stop having a go because I can't give the level of detail you want here, so it's pointless.  Yes my CV is slighty fragmented, but there are sensible and appropriate reasons for that.

    Heaven knows why on earth you think my profile is incorrect.  It's far more detailed and open than anyone else here and it's just as it is.  Again, it's just totally inappropriate to write things like that.  If there's one specific thing that doesn't seem right then mention it, or better still PM me so that it doesn't spam up the thread and I can reassure you.

    MathsMA:
    If Boaler blustered on to this forum in the way

    I did invite Jo Boaler up to do observations at Ehenside, but sadly it just wasn't possible before it shut.  She's a long way from here and she was working with a different focus at the time.  It was a shame because I don't think she really understands the impact braodband has had on the practicalities of integrating curriculum-orientated and process-orientated curricula.

     

    I'm not looking to win an argument with you based on my back-record MathsMA or to overwhelm you with my credibility.  My resume isn't there to do that, just give people an idea of my range of experience so I don't have to start from scratch whenever someone new joins the discussion.  On most forums you're required to provide this sort of stuff because discussion is so much easier if you just click on a poster to get a good idea of 'where they're coming from'. 

    I've no interest whatsoever in arguments being won because one poster 'is better' than the other.  I'm just interested in exploring the issues - with anyone who wants to talk about them.

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