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Last post 25/12/10 at 00:41 by weebecka, 363 replies
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    Posted by: weebecka 22/12/2010 at 11:18
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    bombaysapphire:
    I assume that first sentence should end with isn't.

    Yes, sorry.  

    Right I'll try and write a post on 'grounding maths in the concrete' and another one on 'two routes through multiplication'.

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    Posted by: MathsMA 22/12/2010 at 11:40
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    weebecka:
    Right I'll try and write a post on 'grounding maths in the concrete' and another one on 'two routes through multiplication'.

    How about finding the sum of 1 year 4 months,1 year 8 months and 11 months?

    Then finding the difference between September 2006 and July 200?

    And then comparing them.

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    Posted by: weebecka 22/12/2010 at 11:45
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    Grounding maths teaching in the concrete

    We often assume that because students were one taught the basic operations of mathematics in real contexts, the work they now do is still securely supported by those experiences long ago.

    Here's a picture to help us think about that.

    Imagine that our knowledge and experiences form nodes in a network.  Our understanding is the links between these nodes, which allow us to use and contextualise our knowledge.  If we have good understanding of something, we can use these links to recreate knowledge if it is lost, or to generate new results or even new concepts. So understanding (the links) is personal because it depends on what we have available in our minds for the knowledge to link to (as well as many other things).

    Now, if we were creating a solid and stable network, it woudn't matter if we never revisited stuff we had done before because the links would be robust over time.  But see our minds as being more dynamic and unstable than that.  New ideas come along and supercede old ones. We go through developmental stages and our brains 'reconfigure'.  

     

    I've talked a bit about the teachers who inspired me here in Cumbria and it's time to return to them again.  

    They designed their curricula to work in topics by input rather than by expected output.  Each one started at a low level. They starting points would be very easy to understand real contexts for the maths, such as patterns, Dime experiments, early Shell centre stuff etc. Students would spend quite a while exploring these real contexts before beginning to abstract the maths.  Then they took the maths to really high levels if they felt able, or maybe they wouldn't get so far themselves but would benefit from being exposed to the high level work of others which they follow.

    It was a very natural and effective way to work.  Like a duck preening its feathers and restoring the links between them so that they work properly. It lent itself very easily to wide spans of ability. It was more natural and engaging for the students because when they got lost, or it got to much, they knew they would be starting with something they would really enjoy and be able to cope with again soon.

    When we were all forced to swap to teaching 'level 6, reviewing level 5 and extending into level 7' it was very hard (and of course the teachers who did not swap fast enough were rapidly culled and mixed ability was abolished).

    I do actually like having a robust, levelled and tested national curriculum (although I think we could test it better).

    But I also try to use some of the ideas of frequently grounding maths in the concrete so that students have firmer foundations which they can use to give them the power to be independently creative.

    Otherwise students are relying on abstract algorithms which they do not have ownership of.  What grounding are these for creativity for your average student?

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    Posted by: DM 22/12/2010 at 11:49
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    MathsMA:

    weebecka:
    Right I'll try and write a post on 'grounding maths in the concrete' and another one on 'two routes through multiplication'.

    How about finding the sum of 1 year 4 months,1 year 8 months and 11 months?

    Then finding the difference between September 2006 and July 200?

    And then comparing them.

    CV dates and content are fluid.    The empirical evidence for this is the number of changes to weebo's LinkedIn in the past month.

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    Posted by: googolplex 22/12/2010 at 11:54
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    This all sounds like a 1970's maths teacher's wet dream....
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    Posted by: weebecka 22/12/2010 at 11:55
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    bombaysapphire:
    So are there two routes through multiplication?
     

    Maybe bombaysapphire.

    I think so.

    There are quite a few ways multiplication is/has been done which are not explained by repeated addition (or repeated addition the other way round).

    Repeated addition doesn't seem to have been the visual model used until a few centuries ago.

    It doesn't seem to be the key primitive in societies where students don't have a formal education (Nunes street children again....).

    It doesn't seem to be the generator behind what people do when they are calculating bookies odds, 2:3 and so on.  Although fractions, decimals, percentages and ratio are supposed to be the same think, attempts to swap bookies odds into an alternative form have always failed.  Having a different underlying primitive in use would explain that.

    There seems to be a different type of primitive here where by people are picturing the relative size of two quantities and that's supporting their thinking rather than repeated addition.

    But if this primitive exists, it seems to be almost entirely ignored and vestigialised in our education system.  Except, perhaps in things like mulitplication drills where instantly guessing the size of the result is a helpful thing to do?

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    Posted by: bombaysapphire 22/12/2010 at 12:32
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    weebecka:

    There are quite a few ways multiplication is/has been done which are not explained by repeated addition (or repeated addition the other way round).

    I always describe multiplication as "lots of" or just "of" with fractional amounts.  When a student makes a mistake with 5 x 0 then reminding them that it is 5 lots of nothing really clarifies what the right answer is and why.

    I see repeated addition as a simple case of that, 5 lots of 7 intuitively means the same as adding up 7 five times.  I still don't see an arguement for there being two routes through multiplication.

    Given the amount of time you have spend discussing these matters with your classes I am surprised that you can't communicate your ideas on here more clearly.

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    Posted by: Betamale 22/12/2010 at 13:37
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    Becka

    How much of you theory comes from?:

    (i) Thoughts built up as a child studying maths

    (ii) Someone looking to teach maths

    (iii) Someone on their PGCE/NQT year

    (iv) Someone who had to do 20-25 hours teaching a week for lengthy periods week in week out

    (v) Someone who doesnt have to teach, but trainsadvises/coaches others to teach

    Just a one liner on each would be great to see if the thoughts have evolved over a period of time.

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    Posted by: bgy1mm 22/12/2010 at 14:25
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    Karvol:

     Oh really? One can only attack an argument if one believes that what is being stated is a fact - justified true belief if you will.

    It is becoming quite clear that what weebecka has stated is not a fact.

    I didn't quote weebecka.

    You need a certain amount of context. The exchange goes:

    Karvol - mentions ad hominems and personal attacks in the same breath.

    bgy1mm - "Hmm, here's probably someone who doesn't know what an ad hominem is. Let's clear that up."

    Karvol - bgy1mm shouldn't try to define ad hominem because he's a nobody whilst I've a degree in propositional logic.

    bgy1mm "Will anyone see the irony here? Hmm, maybe if I gently point it out?"

    Karvol - discussing weebecka's alleged falsification of her experience may be relevant. Yah boo, bgy1mm doesn't know the first thing about logic.

    Assembled ng. Hurrah hurrah hurrah!

     

    If the facts can't be established or agreed on you can't proceed to arguing about what they mean, agreed. But only if those facts are relevant. I doubt very much that weebecka is actually fabricating teaching experiences and the class in Cumbria, but I haven't tried to prove that.

     

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    Posted by: Karvol 22/12/2010 at 14:38
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     Actually bgy1mm the debate goes on a lot longer and is infinitely more tedious.

    bgy1mm: knows nothing about maths yet feels perfectly free to rabbit on about it anon. Also knows nothing about teaching, but like most lay people, feels that time spent in a classroom equates to direct knowledge about how teaching works.

    karvol: quite bored with the snow outside decides to inject some semblence of reality, and hilarity, into the conversation while trying his best ( and failing ) at not playing advocatis diaboli.

    bgy1mm: seems to be very impressed with taking whole day to try and piece together a conversation no-one was particularly interested in the moment the last post was read - except for bgy1mm.

    karvol: wondering why bgy1mm who has so much on his plate - trying to disprove Darwin, publishing a refutation of the works of Dawkins, starting, finishing or whatever with a degree in biology, writing computer programs in defunct languages is really that interested in what happens on random fora on esoteric matters to do with teaching.

    bgy1mm: again conveniently ignores every direct request to furnish the audience with evidence of his knowledge of maths and teaching, instead spends his waking hours researching throwaway remarks and piecing together uninteresting conversations to show of his recently gleaned erudition.

    karvol: couldn't really care less if bgy1mm was the spirit of Russell, Frege and Dedkind rolled into one and was born to prove karvol's ignorance in all matters logic. Karvol now knows for sure that bgy1mm, in many ways that bgy1mm will not understand, is hooked, lined and sunk.

    Let me know when you are bored of this. 

    Shouldn't you be in holy congress with god or jesus or some other mythical being?

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