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    Posted by: MissedOpportunity 17/12/2010 at 10:16
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    Phoenixchild:
    As a slight aside, is it only me who has a problem with rewarding badly behaved children who show instances of good behaviour?

    Even though others have disagreed up to now, I see your point. In our school we award children for arriving on time and arriving witht the correct equipment - bonkers. The good children always arrive with everything and the naughty ones, more often than not, don't and when they do it's like a weird epiphany for some teachers. I don't agree with rewarding things like this whatsoever. We praise expected behaviour which, consequently, lowers standards.

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    Posted by: weebecka 17/12/2010 at 10:40
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    MissedOpportunity:

    Phoenixchild:
    As a slight aside, is it only me who has a problem with rewarding badly behaved children who show instances of good behaviour?

    Even though others have disagreed up to now, I see your point. In our school we award children for arriving on time and arriving witht the correct equipment - bonkers. The good children always arrive with everything and the naughty ones, more often than not, don't and when they do it's like a weird epiphany for some teachers. I don't agree with rewarding things like this whatsoever. We praise expected behaviour which, consequently, lowers standards.

    Hmmmm,  I wonder what you mean by rewarding here.

    I'm saying that

    if a child has behaved badly and gets sent out of class,
    you talk to them and set expectations for their behaviour and they work they are to complete for the rest of the lesson.  If they meet those agreed expectations it is a good idea to positively reinforce that with a comment at the end of the lesson.

    It's nice to have 'closure' when things have gone wrong and this is a good way to do it.  It helps build the confidence of both the child and the teacher that the child can meet expected standards of behaviour and will do so in the future.

    It's not exactly 'trips to blackpool' stuff.  I'll be giving the good kids positive feedback and encouragement too.

     

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    Posted by: weebecka 17/12/2010 at 10:53
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    airy:
    I am trying to get across to you was that this wasn't an exceptional class.
     

    Herding a girl into a corner and telling her how much they'd like to f*ck her? Having a *** in the back row? Throwing jotters at the kid they think is a swot? Rifling through the teacher's dedsk to get the class keys and lock teacher and other child out?

    Okay Airy, so this is your normal class.  I have to say it doesn't sound normal to me because the first comment sounds non-authentic for a year 11 standard ability class.  Yes there is a lot of sexual banter but it is not normally completely unbalanced and physically threatening in they way you've described here.

    So this is your average class Airy.  Do tell me about your challenging classes.

    By the way you really should go back an examine the other thread for the evidence of the things you claim.  You may have 'been there' but you seemed to miss posts.  Possibly because some of them appeared late - a functionality issue of this forum.

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    Posted by: curlygirly 17/12/2010 at 11:03
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    weebecka:
    Okay Airy, so this is your normal class.  I have to say it doesn't sound normal to me because the first comment sounds non-authentic for a year 11 standard ability class. 

    But then your idea of challenging sounds different to everyone else's on here. Do you now see why everyone found your comments somewhat patronising and unhelpful?
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    Posted by: weebecka 17/12/2010 at 11:03
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    autismuk:
    The problem for you Rebecca is no one believes you
     

     

    You are obsessed with ideas like:

    I'm here to stir and create stories.

    Everything I say is a lie.

    If I wont give you my GTC number I'm not a teacher.

    I haven't worked with a signficant number of exceptionally challenging classes.

    I'm pretending to be someone else and sending you sexually explicit messages.

    All these things are untrue Autismuk.

    I have been extremely open here in order to reassure you and give you genuine context yet you still seem obsessed with turning me into some weird 'baddie' in some fantasy game in your head.  

     

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    Posted by: weebecka 17/12/2010 at 11:06
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    curlygirly:
    Do you now see why everyone found your comments somewhat patronising and unhelpful?
     

    They did?  Okay fair enough. 

    I really appreciate that other took the time to teach me this stuff and much more.

    Twas just trying to pass it on.

    But everyone finds it unhelpful so I'll leave it.

    No problem.

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    Posted by: curlygirly 17/12/2010 at 11:09
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    Phoenixchild:

    What about the children who are always well behaved? What message are we giving them?

    I agree.

    Why have a system in our school which rewards them with specific privileges. They have to exhibit the behaviour which we expect at all times, for all adults in order to gain the privileges. It works for about 98% of the children and their behaviour is exceptionally good (it's actually stunning when you consider that many have asbos and abcs at home).

    The 2% are the ones who go without the privileges and also receive sanctions. Sanctions are only as good as the system which backs them up though.

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    Posted by: curlygirly 17/12/2010 at 11:09
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    curlygirly:
    Why have a system

    Should've been we have a system. Snow brain....
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    Posted by: autismuk 17/12/2010 at 11:43
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    weebecka:
    Okay Airy, so this is your normal class.  I have to say it doesn't sound normal to me because the first comment sounds non-authentic for a year 11 standard ability class. 

    Depends what your definition of standard ability is and where you teach.

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    Posted by: autismuk 17/12/2010 at 11:59
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    weebecka:

    You are obsessed with ideas like:

    I'm here to stir and create stories.

    Everything I say is a lie.

    If I wont give you my GTC number I'm not a teacher.

    I haven't worked with a signficant number of exceptionally challenging classes.

    I'm pretending to be someone else and sending you sexually explicit messages.

    All these things are untrue Autismuk.

    The first one (stirring for the ATM meeting) is a reasonable conclusion. You didn't mention your little presentation, and if you are really like this and not stirring I feel sorry for anyone you teach. You also admitted not using your real persona on the other thread. Why ?

    The second one (everything is a lie) is made up, you cannot find me saying or implying this because I haven't. I think you are dishonest and so self deluded you don't realise it, but I don't think 'everything you say is a lie'. Valueless, possibly.

    The third one (demanding GTC number) is made up as well. I doubted your QTS status from your qualifications and external information, and your refusal to answer a direct question and various avoidance tactics. (Asking for the number is a way round you playing with words like 'qualified') Eventually, after about 20 posts, you said (I think) you had QTS status ; I'm not sure I believe you.

    The fourth one (challenging classes) is dependent on your definition of 'exceptionally challenging'. You described a 'Borderline C grade class' as such which is laughable, and none of your behavioural suggestions have got the thumbs up from anyoneIs it more likely that you are wrong, or that every other teacher on here, some of whom have years of experience in EBD are wrong ?

    The fifth one (pretending to be someone else) - well it might not have been you but it's a very odd coincidence to receive an odd message from a 'Rebecca' (in the midst of me pointing out your ATM presentation) when I've never received a message from Facebook of that type at any time before or since. I agree I can't prove it's you, perhaps it is just a coincidence. It's very common for sad people to do things like that.

    weebecka:
    I have been extremely open here in order to reassure you

    This is a complete lie.

    You didn't ever mention your little presentation did you, or admit who you were until you were called on it. That's what really annoys the other posters about you, I think. The fact that they feel you've used them.

    weebecka:
    you and give you genuine context

    The one thing I will give you is that you have been far more direct about what you actually did on this thread than you were on the other one, where you continually refused to give specifics and waffled.

    weebecka:
    yet you still seem obsessed with turning me into some weird 'baddie' in some fantasy game in your head

    Not really.

    I think you are dishonest to the other posters and dishonest to yourself ; I think your claims are exaggerated ; I think you've no real experience of challenging behaviour.

    Apart from the middle one (which is a reasonable conclusion from the rest) the TES forums are littered with evidence supporting this.

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