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    Posted by: DM 17/12/2010 at 12:51
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    weebecka:
    I did nearly two years at Ehenside (I was invovled and sorting stuff out in the term before I started, actully I was in before the summer too).  I also had a diverse range of formal and informal responsbility in previous schools. My students have delivered very good results in very difficult circumstances.  There you go - that's my experience, no more no less.

    The published results prove that the final Year 11 at Ehenside performed extremely poorly.   I have no idea whether they did significantly better in mathematics than in their other subjects but I suspect they did not.

    I note you sidestepped my enquiry about whether you led a department consisting of two full-time teachers including yourself.   The C.V. you have paraded in front of us raises more questions than it answers.   For example, why is your job title at West Lakes "unspecified" - does this mean you were stripped of your responsibility when your school became an Academy?   None of my business really but you do give the impression that you are disingenuous and are prepared to 'spin' the facts when it suits you.

     

     

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    Posted by: MissedOpportunity 17/12/2010 at 17:31
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    weebecka:

     

    MissedOpportunity:

    Phoenixchild:
    As a slight aside, is it only me who has a problem with rewarding badly behaved children who show instances of good behaviour?

    Even though others have disagreed up to now, I see your point. In our school we award children for arriving on time and arriving witht the correct equipment - bonkers. The good children always arrive with everything and the naughty ones, more often than not, don't and when they do it's like a weird epiphany for some teachers. I don't agree with rewarding things like this whatsoever. We praise expected behaviour which, consequently, lowers standards.

    Hmmmm,  I wonder what you mean by rewarding here.

    I'm saying that

    if a child has behaved badly and gets sent out of class,
    you talk to them and set expectations for their behaviour and they work they are to complete for the rest of the lesson.  If they meet those agreed expectations it is a good idea to positively reinforce that with a comment at the end of the lesson.

    It's nice to have 'closure' when things have gone wrong and this is a good way to do it.  It helps build the confidence of both the child and the teacher that the child can meet expected standards of behaviour and will do so in the future.

    It's not exactly 'trips to blackpool' stuff.  I'll be giving the good kids positive feedback and encouragement too.

     

    I'm confused with your post. You respond to a post about rewarding with a verbose explanation about behaviour. I must say, your handling of behaviour sounds unique which probably represents your idiosyncracies. I think you your posts would benefit the reader if you explained the outcome of the problem.
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    Posted by: florian gassmann 17/12/2010 at 19:30
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    weebecka:
    I'm saying that

    if a child has behaved badly and gets sent out of class, you talk to them and set expectations for their behaviour and they work they are to complete for the rest of the lesson.

     

    But in post 111, you said that the child you sent out was ...

    weebecka:
    the one who's most stressed (rather than necessarily the protagonist)
     

    I have to say that I thought that that comment was reprehensible - you leave the perpetrator in the classroom to wreak more mayhem, while you yourself pick on the victim (and believe me, the rest of the kids will regard it thus, however good your intentions). If you feel it necessary to leave the room, then removing the perpetrator is by far the best option - in such circumstances, the child who has been picked upon and is showing signs of stress is much more likely to be comforted by his or her classmates, once the cause of the problem is removed.

    But now you seem to be talking about removing the child who has behaved badly, rather than the victim.

    Like most others here, I don't follow your line of argument. I hope your pupils don't suffer from the same disadvantage.

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    Posted by: airy 17/12/2010 at 20:42
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    weebecka:
    Okay Airy, so this is your normal class.
    It was. I'm not at the school any more, and looking back it does seem a bit odd that we all just accepted this as something we had to work with. I'm not saying every class was like this but certainly the behaviours I mentioned were commonplace enough that you would encounter them in most classes other than top sets. The exception is the sexually aggressive group behaviour which only happened twice to my knowledge.
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    Posted by: weebecka 18/12/2010 at 03:27
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    DM:

    The published results prove that the final Year 11 at Ehenside performed extremely poorly.   I have no idea whether they did significantly better in mathematics than in their other subjects but I suspect they did not.

    I note you sidestepped my enquiry about whether you led a department consisting of two full-time teachers including yourself.   The C.V. you have paraded in front of us raises more questions than it answers.   For example, why is your job title at West Lakes "unspecified" - does this mean you were stripped of your responsibility when your school became an Academy?   None of my business really but you do give the impression that you are disingenuous and are prepared to 'spin' the facts when it suits you.

     

    Oh yawn, haven't we done all of this before?

    The final year results at Ehenside were shocking because it was an extreme cohort which had been unteachable right from the beginning of primary school.  After getting rid of a failing head the staff stepped up to the mark and put in place procedures to turn this round, which HMI shut down with no alternative and which point all management authority collapsed.  So it was utterly horrific.

    Meanwhile we were in special measures, being inspected 7 times a year by and HMI who had clearly never taught anywhere challenging and had no idea what she was doing.  

    Meanwhile a decision was made at virtually no notice to close the school and merge it with a school with which it was geographically incompatable (so that our cohort could bring in the money for their rebuild as their school was structurally unsound).  So we were working towards closure - unsupported, just puzzling things our for ourselves, with no systems or staffing structures in place for the new school (and no principal in place).

    And yes, the maths results were far better than the other core subjects.  The results for the four external exam year groups I took through (2 year 9s and 2 year 11s) were very good, reaching multilevelled FTTDs at every level.  And yes, it was done with two specialist teachers and assorted non-specialists.

    And yes, you'd probably have to see my planners and tracking to be fully convinced of that and yes, if you are suitably qualified and security cleared I'll show you.  It's easy to find me if you are part of the NCETM network, or if you are part of the ATM network, or if you are part of the academic network through BSRLM or if you just get in touch through LinkedIn.

    Or you could look at the fact that we did come out of special measures (when maths was a stated reason for Ehenside being in special measures) or at the fact that I went on to get a job in HE (no mean feat at the minute plenty of redundant advisors will be telling you) or you could read the articles and convince yourself that I'm telling the truth.

    But for some reason you just won't believe the truth.  And I really have no idea what that is - perhaps you could talk it over with Autismuk.  I'm sure you'll find plenty of ways of persuading yourselves that I'm disingenuous and are prepared to 'spin' the facts when it suits me. 

    Oh and after the merger there was no staffing structure.  So the staff of the other school carried on in role in the interim.  I decided to go off on maternity leave until it was resolved (seemed fair on everyone).  Only it wasn't resolved - for reasons which are easy to find in the press.  And for unexpected reasons my family circumstances changed so that I couldn't work full time.  I decided to work in HE where I can work full days and freelace from home and I resigned before I went back to work my notice to take the pressure off the four promoted staff in the maths department. 

    What a sad screwed up self deceiving b**ch I am.  Excuse me while I go and beat myself soundly with Lily's cane to cure my sick lies and deception.

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    Posted by: weebecka 18/12/2010 at 03:32
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    florian gassmann:
    Like most others here, I don't follow your line of argument. I hope your pupils don't suffer from the same disadvantage.
     

    Your point is fair florian gassmann and in normal circumstances I'd be happy to pick it up.  But I'm just finding the level of abuse here to high to have a normal conversation.  Maybe another time and another place?

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    Posted by: CliveFadden 18/12/2010 at 06:33
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    Verbal abuse and offensive language has got to be taken as a sign of potential escalation to physical abuse.      Verbal abuse can contain a threat or implication of physical abuse.

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    Posted by: autismuk 18/12/2010 at 08:28
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    weebecka:
    because it was an extreme cohort which had been unteachable right from the beginning of primary school.
     

    I suppose they were all only going to get 'D's then ?

    weebecka:
    Or you could look at the fact that we did come out of special measures (when maths was a stated reason for Ehenside being in special measures)
     

    If Maths was the reason for it being in SM, maybe you just improved it from lousy to ordinary.

    weebecka:
    or you could read the articles and convince yourself that I'm telling the truth.

    No-one believes a word you say, and I don't blame them.

    weebecka:
    I'm sure you'll find plenty of ways of persuading yourselves that I'm disingenuous and are prepared to 'spin' the facts when it suits me. 

    Yes, reading your posts is a pretty good way of doing this.

    The same problem over and over again for your wonderful work.

    Nothing you have ever said gives me any reason to believe you (a) know what seriously challenging behaviour is and (b) have any strategies for dealing with it.

    weebecka:
    What a sad screwed up self deceiving b**ch I am.

    Something here I'm sure we can all agree on.

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    Posted by: autismuk 18/12/2010 at 08:31
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    weebecka:

    florian gassmann:
    Like most others here, I don't follow your line of argument. I hope your pupils don't suffer from the same disadvantage.
     

    Your point is fair florian gassmann and in normal circumstances I'd be happy to pick it up.  But I'm just finding the level of abuse here to high to have a normal conversation.  Maybe another time and another place?

     

    Anywhere you go you will have the same problem, because the problem is you.

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    Posted by: autismuk 18/12/2010 at 08:32
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    weebecka:
    Meanwhile we were in special measures, being inspected 7 times a year by and HMI who had clearly never taught anywhere challenging and had no idea what she was doing.
     

    Hello Pot, meet Mr Kettle.

    What was your experience of challenging behaviour before you went to Ehenside then ?

     

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