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A child regularly swearing at a teacher - telephone the police?

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    Posted by: squashballs 14/12/2010 at 10:52
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    Doesnt it say an awful lot about education/schools in Britain when a teacher feels they need to go to the police because their HT wont act.....its a fairly trivial matter if you ask me, certainly something a school should, anf should be able to deal with...

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    Posted by: autismuk 14/12/2010 at 11:04
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    lovelylouboutins:
    So why was it OK for this pupil to assault you but not the other???? If you think being assaulted in a classroom is a matter for the police (which it most certainly is) then why not apply this to all stu
     

    Context is important. If a child is genuinely upset by something and pushes you away, it is an assault, but it is viewed (by me anyway) as different to someone who simply thumps you because they can and they feel like it.

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    Posted by: autismuk 14/12/2010 at 11:05
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    squashballs:

    Doesnt it say an awful lot about education/schools in Britain when a teacher feels they need to go to the police because their HT wont act.....its a fairly trivial matter if you ask me, certainly something a school should, anf should be able to deal with...

     

    What really bothers me is the cases where HT wont act in respect of a quite nasty assault. 

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    Posted by: cosmos 14/12/2010 at 11:21
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    I was once assaulted in college by one of my pre-16s because I physically grabbed him to prevent him slamming another boy,s head in the door in my class , and I mean in the door not against it. My LS rushed to phone for help, the boy thumped me hard on the chest and then ran away. By the time my line manager arrived 25 minutes later I was told it was my fault for having  a) intervened in the argument and b) for not having prevented the fight in the first place. No action was taken against the boy and I ended up bruised and badly shaken.

    I was allowed the rest of the day off however - a whole 2 hours!
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    Posted by: Middlemarch 14/12/2010 at 13:17
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    MissedOpportunity:

    garyconyers:
    isn't classed as a public place.

    Really? Why is that?

     

    Because it isn't, is the only response.  And if you want evidence, here it is:

    I permanently excluded a pupil for bringing a weapon into school and using it.  The police prosecuted and he was taken to court for pssession of a weapon in a public place.

    His brief got the case dismissed on the grounds - agreed by the judge - that a school is not a public place.

    You can - as we did - argue all you like that it is, but the law says it is not.

    Now:  what did the head do with this pupil when it swore previously and what is it that the teacher who has been sworn at again thinks should have happened on that occasion?  What has been the head's response to the report of this subsequent occasion?

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    Posted by: MissedOpportunity 14/12/2010 at 13:52
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    Middlemarch:

    Because it isn't, is the only response.  And if you want evidence, here it is:

    I permanently excluded a pupil for bringing a weapon into school and using it.  The police prosecuted and he was taken to court for pssession of a weapon in a public place.

    Oh, I see. It was a genuine question - schools appear to be an obvious definition of a public place. Obviously not.

    Middlemarch:
    what did the head do with this pupil when it swore previously

    The head doesn't know about the situation. The incident has been reported to an assistant head who is in charge of behaviour. Also, we have a behaviour manager who has children (really naughty kids) "attached" to him. He is aware of the incident. The head of year reported the incident to both people but nothing, absolutely nothing, has been done up to now. I get regular updates from the staffroom.

    Middlemarch:
    what is it that the teacher who has been sworn at again thinks should have happened on that occasion?

    I think the teacher would be happy with a verbal apology during some restorative practice.

    Middlemarch:
    What has been the head's response to the report of this subsequent occasion?

    Nil. The head does not know about this. She is far too important to deal with minor incidents like this.

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    Posted by: MeanAverageJoe 14/12/2010 at 13:58
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    Middlemarch:
    His brief got the case dismissed on the grounds - agreed by the judge - that a school is not a public place.

    FWIW The current legislation re knives and other offensive weapons applies to public places and , explicity, schools.

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    Posted by: Middlemarch 14/12/2010 at 14:11
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    MeanAverageJoe:
    FWIW The current legislation re knives and other offensive weapons applies to public places and , explicity, schools.
     

    FWIW, legal precedent has defined a school as not a public place in the case I mentioned.  The government's 'legislation' has no weight if a judge rules otherwise.

     

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    Posted by: lovelylouboutins 14/12/2010 at 14:16
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    autismuk:
    Context is important

    Yes, but I would view this as an unfortunate turn of events and wouldn't think to tell the police that I had been assaulted before. The person concerned clearly wanted to make a point that they had been assaulted before but was unhappy that the police wanted to take further action. I do not see why this would be the case.

     

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    Posted by: MeanAverageJoe 14/12/2010 at 14:38
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    Middlemarch:
    FWIW, legal precedent has defined a school as not a public place in the case I mentioned.

    My point, perhaps unclear, is that legislation re weapons applies to public places and schools, Not schools because they are public places but because they are schools. You can't have a knife or gun in school (unless you are supposed to have one).

    1988 Criminal Justice Act Section 139A (in 1996?) extended the scope to public places and schools.

    Blah Blah

    “139A Offence of having article with blade or point (or offensive weapon) on school premises.

    (1)Any person who has an article to which section 139 of this Act applies with him on school premises shall be guilty of an offence.

    (2)Any person who has an offensive weapon within the meaning of section 1 of the M1Prevention of Crime Act 1953 with him on school premises shall be guilty of an offence.

    Blah Blah

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