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A child regularly swearing at a teacher - telephone the police?

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    Posted by: Lilyofthefield 15/12/2010 at 19:56
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    Are you suggesting that the over-riding motivation for a damaged child's not walking in front of a train or bus is concern for the possible harm to other people?

    Do you actually know any such people?

    You're right, they are more likely to self-harm through cutting or substance abuse because it doesn't actually kill them.  A walk in front of a train is a one-off no-return death sentence.  And that's the consequence that deters them.

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    Posted by: weebecka 15/12/2010 at 20:09
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    lovelylouboutins:
    Why? I cannot see any reason whatsoever for this?
    Because sometimes what you say can start tick box processes which take forever and can't be stopped. Don't assume anyone will think through the process, its contexts or its likely consequences in your particular situation.
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    Posted by: weebecka 15/12/2010 at 20:13
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    Lilyofthefield:
    You're right, they are more likely to self-harm through cutting or substance abuse because it doesn't actually kill them.  A walk in front of a train is a one-off no-return death sentence.  And that's the consequence that deters them.
    Maybe. The point I was trying to make was that many of the students who cause us the most bother couldn't really care less about anything, especially themselves. I overcooked the point.
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    Posted by: airy 15/12/2010 at 20:56
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    weebecka:
    airy:
    You said that assaults were not the fault of those who committed them
    I didn't say that and have already denied that I said it. Stop misquoting me.
    weebecka:
    HMI WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE ASSAULTS.
    Misquoting? I may have misunderstood but given the post you made I think that's understandable. TBH, this seems like the last discussion we had - you state one thing but as soon as it is challenged you change your mind.
    weebecka:
    I'm not trying to say how things should or shouldn't be
    Could have fooled me!
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    Posted by: BigFrankEM 15/12/2010 at 20:58
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    weebecka:
    BigFrankEM:
    none of these difficult kids would dream of walking in front of a speeding bus because they know the consequences.
    NO BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE WOULD GET HURT.....

    Fatuous.

     

    Or do I mean FATUOUS ?

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    Posted by: Lilyofthefield 15/12/2010 at 21:37
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    I wouldn't say that the majority of run-of-the-mill, badly-behaved kids commit their misdemeanours for any reason other than they can. There were plenty of times in my schooldays when I'd quite have liked to look daring and witty in front of my friends by lashing into a teacher I didn't like, or walking off halfway through a bollocking doing "talk to the hand", or slapping Sister Pauline one back.  But I didn't because I would have been thrashed with a ruler or a cane immediately, and given another hiding when my ashamed mother found out.

    Even when I started teaching, verbal abuse from a pupil to a teacher would have got you sent to SLT for the cane or the rule, so kids didn't do it.  The game wasn't worth the candle.  Unless that child had no control over his/her responses, could not resist the urge to mouth off or lash out, in which case they would have been in a Special School anyway, it didn't take much of a mental battle to decide that sulky, resentful discretion would be the better alternative.

    Now, we have the media model of lippy smartarsy interaction between teens and adults, the equality with which kids are treated by their parents, the confusion between healthy self-control and unhealthy repression, and the general erosion of respect for authority of any kind, set against the dogmatic, institutionalised horror of physical discipline - of anything that makes the child feel more than mildly inconvenienced for a short time - which means that teachers are always entirely dependent upon the inclination of the child on that day, at that time, for reasonable, civilised behaviour.  

     

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    Posted by: vehar 15/12/2010 at 22:50
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    'Now, we have the media model of lippy smartarsy interaction between teens and adults, the equality with which kids are treated by their parents, the confusion between healthy self-control and unhealthy repression, and the general erosion of respect for authority of any kind, set against the dogmatic, institutionalised horror of physical discipline - of anything that makes the child feel more than mildly inconvenienced for a short time - which means that teachers are always entirely dependent upon the inclination of the child on that day, at that time, for reasonable, civilised behaviour'

    Just felt it needed repeating.... and repeating..... and repeating.....

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    Posted by: weebecka 15/12/2010 at 23:17
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    Lilyofthefield:
    Unless that child had no control over his/her responses, could not resist the urge to mouth off or lash out, in which case they would have been in a Special School anyway,
     

    This is obviously the kind of circumstance I've been talking about on this thread.  

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    Posted by: weebecka 15/12/2010 at 23:22
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    vehar:

    'Now, we have the media model of lippy smartarsy interaction between teens and adults, the equality with which kids are treated by their parents, the confusion between healthy self-control and unhealthy repression, and the general erosion of respect for authority of any kind, set against the dogmatic, institutionalised horror of physical discipline - of anything that makes the child feel more than mildly inconvenienced for a short time - which means that teachers are always entirely dependent upon the inclination of the child on that day, at that time, for reasonable, civilised behaviour'

    Just felt it needed repeating.... and repeating..... and repeating.....

     

    Has anyone else worked with teachers who are expert at getting this respect an commitment from children despite these circumstances?  I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one who's worked with lots of teachers who can manage circumstances like these well, with little back-up (once they've settled in and assuming back-up would be there when they needed it).

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    Posted by: Lilyofthefield 15/12/2010 at 23:40
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     What did the "back-up" consist of, specifically?  What was provided that ensured that the pupils never repeated that behaviour?

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