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"Michael Gove: my revolution for culture in classroom" - ravings of a lunatic?

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    Posted by: Middlemarch 02/01/2011 at 13:30
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    weebecka:
    OldAndrew - many apologies but I'm new here.  I'm not sure where you're coming from.  Could you tell me a bit more about your background so that I can understand why you hold your views?
     

    You do like to press people for their details, don't you?  Most of us manage to converse on TES without being so nosey.

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    Posted by: weebecka 02/01/2011 at 13:32
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    DM:
    It didn't lead to an excellent discussion but it did lead to iPhone ridicule and that stopped the child from pulling the blasted thing out of his pocket to show it off 15 times each lesson so it served a purpose.
     Yes

    Wolfra Alpha still has plenty of flaws and, our course, always will have.  It's still very powerful though.  

    In education we're going to have to learn how to exploit it's positive capacities and mitigate against its negative ones.

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    Posted by: weebecka 02/01/2011 at 13:51
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    Middlemarch:
    You do like to press people for their details, don't you?  Most of us manage to converse on TES without being so nosey.
     

    Really Middlemarch?  It seems I was misled then.

    http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/t/455737.aspx?PageIndex=7

     

    When discussions get stuck, as here
    where OldAndrew is pushing the importance of fluency in solving quadratics and I (and others) am suggesting instead that a connected understanding of the varied contexts and processes of quadratics is sufficient and that an appropriate level of fluency will come with the development of higher order skills,
    grounding our viewpoints in our contexts/experience helps to move the conversation on. 

    No personal information is required beyond that which is relevant to the subject under discussion.  This is an ethnographic technique Middlemarch, not noseyness.

    I was told a few times that OldAndrew had a blog, but depite my requests I was never given a link to it.  Could someone provide one now?  That might be sufficient and the information is already public.

     

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    Posted by: MeanAverageJoe 02/01/2011 at 14:05
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    weebecka:
    I was told a few times that OldAndrew had a blog, but depite my requests I was never given a link to it. 
     

    Just google it; same way that people can google you,

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    Posted by: weebecka 02/01/2011 at 14:07
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    oldandrew:
    I'm not suggesting teaching to the test, just suggesting that we don't try to deliberately formulate a version of learning that is "practical" to the point of being dumbed down.
     

    Why is teaching all 7 methods (including this one)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkPfW40DFyk

    dumbing down?

    Which methods do you feel are important and which are not oldandrew?

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    Posted by: bgy1mm 02/01/2011 at 14:21
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    DM:

    The original iPhone calculator didn't work weebee.  

    It didn't lead to an excellent discussion but it did lead to iPhone ridicule and that stopped the child from pulling the blasted thing out of his pocket to show it off 15 times each lesson so it served a purpose.

     

    There are glitches with technology. However they are gradually ironed out.

    In the not too distant future everyone will have a phone in his pocket with high-resolution colour display, and with a graphical calculator loaded onto it as standard. More advanced calculators will be available for those who want them.

    The question is what that means for school-level mathematics.

     

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    Posted by: DM 02/01/2011 at 14:27
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    bgy1mm:

    In the not too distant future everyone will have a phone in his pocket with high-resolution colour display, and with a graphical calculator loaded onto it as standard. More advanced calculators will be available for those who want them.

    And only 2% of the population will be able to use them.
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    Posted by: DM 02/01/2011 at 14:30
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    weebecka:

    I was told a few times that OldAndrew had a blog, but depite my requests I was never given a link to it.  Could someone provide one now?  That might be sufficient and the information is already public.

    I did give it to you before.

    http://teachingbattleground.wordpress.com/2010/12/24/a-guide-to-scenes-from-the-battleground/

    Enjoy!

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    Posted by: bgy1mm 02/01/2011 at 14:36
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    DM:

    bgy1mm:

    In the not too distant future everyone will have a phone in his pocket with high-resolution colour display, and with a graphical calculator loaded onto it as standard. More advanced calculators will be available for those who want them.

    And only 2% of the population will be able to use them.

     

    This is one of the points I try to make.

    It is necessary to teach children how to use calculators. There's a sense that calculators are "cheating", therefore to be discouraged,  therefore it demeans the school to actually acknowledge that they are to be used.

    You can't give a child or even an older student something like R (a powerful statistical analysis package) and expect him to use it. As calculators get more sophisticated, they get harder to use.

     

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    Posted by: T34 02/01/2011 at 14:37
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    bgy1mm:
    You need tables for two reasons, to do tiny multiplications in your head, and  to do long multiplication and long division with pencil and paper.
     

    You've missed one, I think.

    In science you do a lot of estimation and approximation.

    After (or before) you use a calculator or computer to get an exact answer you do an approximation in your head (hopefully). You also do a lot of "back of a beermat" calculations.

    For example,

    6965 * 7,900,000 / 31.3

    coould be approximated to

    7 *10^3  *  8*10^6 / 32


    Knowing the value of 7*8, or that 56 and 32 are both divisible by 8 is rather useful in this case.
    If a KS3 or KS4 pupil does not know his tables he is hopeless at estimating.

     

     

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