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"Michael Gove: my revolution for culture in classroom" - ravings of a lunatic?

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    Posted by: MathsMA 02/01/2011 at 22:45
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    DM:
    In my totally unscientific survey, I would estimate that at least three quarters of Year 11 students do not know their tables well. 

    Would have to agree and my anecdotal research would be that of our seven Year 11 classes, only the majority of the top two are confident in all their times tables (up to 12).

    I teach classes 3 and 4 (both targetted Grade C) and would say no one in set 4 knows them completely and only the odd few in set 3 know them.

    When I first entered the teaching profession I really found this hard to grasp!!!!!

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    Posted by: DM 02/01/2011 at 22:48
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    Similarly MathsMA I currently teach teach two Year 11 Set 4s (out of 7 and 8 respectively) in a bog standard comprehensive and none of them know all their tables.   A handful know most of them.

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    Posted by: florapost 02/01/2011 at 23:00
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    curlygirly:
    She knows them (her tables) now because her evil mother will at any moment fire off questions. Poor child.
     

    evil mothers of the world, unite! Devil

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    Posted by: curlygirly 02/01/2011 at 23:05
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    Someone should report me to social care really!
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    Posted by: DM 02/01/2011 at 23:08
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    curlygirly:
    Someone should report me to social care really!

    Haven't you been reported enough this evening already?
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    Posted by: curlygirly 02/01/2011 at 23:13
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    Oh probably. I'm just trouble wherever I go!
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    Posted by: airy 02/01/2011 at 23:23
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    I don't know my tables any more. I used to but the lack of use made them drop out of my head.
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    Posted by: shalteir 02/01/2011 at 23:31
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     In all seriousness DM, my children did, except only the occasional extreme SEN, back then (Also in posts). In earlier posts I have mentioned that the NC downplayed mental facts, but this was addressed a few years ago, expecting full table knowledge by Y4 (again) whereas it didn't happen much before Y6 earlier in the NC. There may be a gradual improvement filtering up the system. I don't know how much continuity is maintained in KS3, KS3 has not been overly impressive in my limited experiences. 

    There were a lot of things I did to help children who found it more difficult, primarily working out from unknown to known, so if the 5 x table is well known (hopefully) step from that table. One thing I didn't do was chant tables, and the more recently encounted sequencing of multiples.

    AFL, each week there was a test of 20. As the children approached a 20/20 score, they always noted which answers were wrong and what the correct answer was, these details noted by myself. I encourage repetition, as they would tell parents/guardians which table was wrong the previous week, and the parent/guardian were asked to ask that question of the child eg whenever they came in the kitchen.I too would ask children difficult ones out of the blue during the week, eg in line or registration. not onerous, a bit of a joke. For each of the 4 rules I created a 100 grid of facts, which screened for unknown facts and patterns. From that theyknew which facts to take as their homework. hey weren't told to "learn their tables" or even a table unless it was really not known, instead their target was to take a few they may have got wrong and see if they could improve their score, working to 20/20 (up to 10x, not 11s or 12s).

    All class scores were totalled and averaged and a graph of the averages was on the wall. In a class of 30+, all but a couple got 20/20 by Easter and the few that didn't were around 14 or 15/20. .The catchment was a mixed spread, but not like some inner city schools I supply in now.

    When we did the multiplication topic for a period of weeks, they then found they could do the TU x TU calculations as previously posted, eg 17 x 18 = 17 x 10 plus 17 x 8 thats 170 plus 17 x 8 which is 10 x 8 plus 7 x 8, that's 170 plus 80, 250 plus 56 equals 306 . Or similar thinking. The tougher bit was not the calculation from multiplication facts, but keeping two or three numbers in memory. The high ability could create their own ways of tackling problems like 21 x 25, seeing how many different ways they could do it, investigation fashion. (eg 21 x 25 = (20 x 25) + (1 x 25) or (21 x 25 = (10 x 25) + (10 x 25) + (5 x 25) etc or repeated addition, or something like 21 x 25 = (30 x 25) - (5 x 25) etc etc.They also used grid method for written work, leading to formal presentations. The bright ones could come up with 20+ different sound calculations in a lesson.

    There were schemes around in that era, eg Fletcher and derivatives of Fletcher, like Nuffield, which were quite effective, although maybe boring in presentation, but provided a base..

    DM we are meant to be on the same side, working for our kids across the key stage. as posted I regret the thread became a squabble. Yes, some of the secondary maths started to reach over my head. It's been a while since I did "O" level, and that's as far as I took it, many years ago.

    I'll close of now with another joke I made in the not too far past Beatles era., I would say  that their famous song was not called, "When I'm 64", they really wrote it as "When I'm 8 x 8".  It was readily fixed in their minds that way, but time has now reduced it's effectiveness.

     

     

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    Posted by: weebecka 03/01/2011 at 02:23
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    curlygirly:
    Also you might want to consider asking TES to pull certain threads/ posts unless you want to find yourself in receipt of a solicitors letter yourself.
     

    I have stripped out my own identity to the extent which is possible and I have written to Gail to request she do the same with my posts asap, emphasising the importance of deleting references to places I have worked and people who I have worked with.

    And now I will retreat to the realms of the mummies and the mathmos where I belong.  DM I know you will tell me if I ever overstep the boundaries of which I was only so recently completely unware and over which I may inadvertantly transgress due to my inexperience.  

    And there I will stay.  Unless, of course, I suddenly find myself without work.  In which case I would have time on my hands to contemplate what on earth happened here.

    The reviews were terrible, the show was pulled.  So long, farewell, I'll miss you.

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    Posted by: wrldtrvlr123 03/01/2011 at 06:28
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    shalteir:

    I'll close of now with another joke I made in the not too far past Beatles era., I would say  that their famous song was not called, "When I'm 64", they really wrote it as "When I'm 8 x 8".  It was readily fixed in their minds that way, but time has now reduced it's effectiveness.

    I have generally found that even my most maths challenged SEN students can remember:

    I ate (8) and I ate (8) and I got sick (6) on the floor (4).

    They varied in their ability to use that information to help solve other problems, but it was oddly comforting to all of us that they could remember something.

     

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