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"Michael Gove: my revolution for culture in classroom" - ravings of a lunatic?

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    Posted by: weebecka 28/12/2010 at 19:47
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    FolkFan:
    I was in the Far East last month, to see what I could learn

    Here in the UK we've been closely anlalysing the differences between the models and structures used in the UK and in China to scaffold understanding of maths.  It's interesting Mr Gove.  Perhaps you would like to talk to us about it.

    FolkFan:
    The papers were not, I was told, the professional work of the teachers.

    Nope, but some very high quality stuff has been written by teachers in the UK Mr Gove.  Have you read any of it?  It strikes me you haven't the wit to sort the wheat from the chaff.

    FolkFan:

    Like Chairman Mao, we’ve embarked on a Long March to reform our education system".

     Is this a China fixation, or is he angling for a few more trips to the Far East paid for by you & me?

    To keep costs down I suggest his next trip is to my kitchen. 

    Or we could make the China trips one-way.

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    Posted by: weebecka 28/12/2010 at 19:49
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    weebecka:
    Or we could make the China trips one-way.
     

    trip

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    Posted by: blazer 28/12/2010 at 19:58
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    I work with colleagues who have visited Chinese schools and they reckon they have nothing to teach us.  Classes of between 60 and 90 reciting and chanting with one teacher at the front.  Very fewe text books and not a computer in sight!
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    Posted by: shalteir 28/12/2010 at 20:32
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     The school ethic from East Asia was much reported in research from two and more decades ago, in particular in the US the grades of the Vietnamise boat children were statistically higher than US -born children, (more likely to be "A"s than "C"s, even though the Asian children were working with English as a second language.

    The wider culture and extended family systems, where parents and grandparents took much interest in following up school at home, as well as education being highly valued as a ticket to future prosperity, were attributed with the success of these children. 

    If Mr Gove thinks he can transform the UK culture to an East Asian culture, he has taken on rather a big mission.

     
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    Posted by: phlogiston 28/12/2010 at 20:57
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    I have a Chinese student in one of my KS3 classes who solemnly assures me she did all the stuff I'm teaching them years ago when she lived in China.

    However, we have a lot of work to do on spoken and written English...

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    Posted by: oldandrew 28/12/2010 at 21:13
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    phlogiston:

    I have a Chinese student in one of my KS3 classes who solemnly assures me she did all the stuff I'm teaching them years ago when she lived in China.

    However, we have a lot of work to do on spoken and written English...

     

    My experience is similar. I don't really get why anybody is shocked at the observation that the Chinese are often being far better educated than the English at the moment.

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    Posted by: oldandrew 28/12/2010 at 21:14
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    blazer:

    I work with colleagues who have visited Chinese schools and they reckon they have nothing to teach us.  Classes of between 60 and 90 reciting and chanting with one teacher at the front.  Very fewe text books and not a computer in sight!

     

    Sounds to me like they have a lot to teach us.

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    Posted by: shalteir 28/12/2010 at 21:21
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    oldandrew:

    blazer:

    I work with colleagues who have visited Chinese schools and they reckon they have nothing to teach us.  Classes of between 60 and 90 reciting and chanting with one teacher at the front.  Very fewe text books and not a computer in sight!

     

    Sounds to me like they have a lot to teach us.

     

    This is the era of austerity.

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    Posted by: sideshow 28/12/2010 at 21:53
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    Has michael Gove spoken to ANY uk education experts? Does it matter if our children can't remember facts? I thought that thinking skills and learning behaviours were more important than facts? I just get so irriatated to think that one man is deciding all of this based on a couple if holidays and his own experience of public school.
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    Posted by: harsh-but-fair 28/12/2010 at 22:57
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    sideshow:
    Why couldn't we have David Laws?

     

     

    The deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats, Simon Hughes, is set to be appointed as a so-called "special advocate" for access to education.

    The government wants him to explain its policies on higher and further education, especially to young people from poorer backgrounds.

    Mr Hughes was one of the MPs who refused to support the government's policy of raising tuition fees.

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12087567
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