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    Posted by: weebecka 30/12/2010 at 22:43
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    shalteir:
    Never in my full time career, did my class ever "recite" tables. On supply I've followed a few plans to do this. On supply, of late, I've found children run through the sequence: 4,8,12,16,20,24 etc. Then I've asked them what is, say, 4x4, and I got blank faces. 
     

    Unison voice is a powerful tool.  

    Did they show you the early Dave Hewitt videos (which preceeded grid algebra) in 'Developing Mathematical Thinking'?.  If you look in your DVD resources you may find it.  You can see him talking about and using unison voice there.  (It's the one of him circa' 1980s with a 'tash).  

     

    When students are scaling they are very rapidly picturing the 'size' of the result in a way which is not repeated addition (because of the speed with which things are said and the rapid checking which goes on)  I think unison voice supports the learning of how to do this in a way which is not just the memorisation of facts.  

     

    One way to think about it is like thinking about music.  If I gave you a note and asked you to sing a fourth above it, you could sing up the notes (repeated addition) or you could know the interval, if you have learned to hear the ratios of the pitches of the notes.   You can train music students to do either and it is best to train them to do both.  Similarly I think you can train students to do multiplication through repeated addition or you can teach them to picture the relative size of quantities.

     

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    Posted by: shalteir 30/12/2010 at 23:23
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    shalteir:
    On supply, of late, I've found children run through the sequence: 4,8,12,16,20,24 etc. Then I've asked them what is, say, 4x4, and I got blank faces.
     

    Well you would, wouldn't you - if they've never learned their tables.

    When you see 4X4 you are supposed to hear 16 because you have heard the two associated so often.

     

    Yeah, I know, but I'm coming across it now, somebody, somewhere, on high, has got primaries doing this of late. I never met it before a couple of years ago.

    My OU course ran 1986-1988, (including the co-ordinator module), it predated dvds, I'm not sure I had the videos either, some things were on early morning tv, not much of it though. I've still got the books, somewhere. I had Y4 then. 

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    Posted by: weebecka 30/12/2010 at 23:44
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    shalteir:
    My OU course ran 1986-1988, (including the co-ordinator module), it predated dvds, I'm not sure I had the videos either, some things were on early morning tv, not much of it though. I've still got the books, somewhere. I had Y4 then.
     

     

    Hmmm, well I'll try and summarise the video so you can imagine it, but if that doesn't work do say and I'll either try harder or give up depending on what you say.

    Basically, as an introduction to grid algebra, Dave Hewitt is doing consecutive numbers.

     He has a stick which he taps on the wall and says one.
    He takes a step to his left (their right), taps the wall and say two.
    He takes another step to his left, taps the wall and gestures to the class.  They say three.
    and so on for four. 
    then he says dot dot dot as he walks a few paces to his left, taps the wall and then he says 200. 
    Step to the left, gesture to the class.....
    Step to the right, gesture to the class....
    Step to the right, gesture to the class  ... let them stumble as they puzzle out 199

    and so on, exploring e.g. the boundary between 1,000,000 and 999,999(nasty one)
    and then back into negative numbers.  Watch them struggle with the left and rights and the nasty boundaries now.  They stuggle but they enjoy it.

    It's a lovely demonstration of unison voice in teaching and how it forces students to estimate answers very quickly and how a huge amount of mental checking goes on by everyone when one voice is out of synch.

     

    If you want to find out more about grid algebra here's a video Dave made after I badgered him to.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYVW60KQjss

    Thanks Dave - it helps so much!  

     

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    Posted by: weebecka 31/12/2010 at 15:04
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    Here's the reference:

    Ma, L. (1999). Knowing and teaching elementary mathematics: Teachers' understanding of fundamental mathematics in China and the United States. Mahwah, New Jersey: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.

    Bed time reading Mr Gove?  Or perhaps you feel you already understand all these issues having spent a few days in China.

     

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    Posted by: shalteir 31/12/2010 at 15:09
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    weebecka:

    Here's the reference:

    Ma, L. (1999). Knowing and teaching elementary mathematics: Teachers' understanding of fundamental mathematics in China and the United States. Mahwah, New Jersey: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.

    Bed time reading Mr Gove?  Or perhaps you feel you already understand all these issues having spent a few days in China.

     

     

    weebecka, I'm impressed. Thanks also for the time you've taken over matters in your posts.

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    Posted by: weebecka 01/01/2011 at 20:59
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    Gee thanks sheltairEmbarrassed dunno how to cope with positive feedback!

    A very happy new year to you and to all showing an interest in this thread.

    florian gassmann:
    What can the ordinary citizen do when he or she perceives that a Secretary of State has totally lost his marbles?

    Mr Gassman, I think there is an interesting metaphor here between the idea of scaling in multiplication being a neglected primitive in multiplication and issues of training pitch in music.

    I'm guessing you are more aware than I am of the use of iphone apps for pitch and other digital tuners.  I have an image in my head of the choirboy singing the solo first verse of Once in Royal David's City while watching his digital tuning iphone app for feedback on this pitch so that the organ actually comes in in tune for the second verse.

    Do you have an experience with digital tuners Mr Gassman?  Do you think they are helping to develop the intuitive pitch of musicians?

     

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    Posted by: weebecka 01/01/2011 at 21:00
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    weebecka:
    sheltair
    shelteir.  I dunno I make a friend and straight away I mess it up.Crying

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    Posted by: shalteir 01/01/2011 at 21:49
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    weebecka:

    weebecka:
    sheltair
    shelteir.  I dunno I make a friend and straight away I mess it up.Crying

     

    This is the season of good will. I don't know if this is a mis-perception, but TES this xmas seems to have less goodwill than earlier years. I like maths, also music. I offered a song for free on Personal, not some marketing campaign, not some low quality recording made of some pupils doing their thing, just something of professional quality that had given pleasure to others in former years, by a teacher, and free. Still it became the object of ridicule. No matter.

    Regarding the maths operations, as said earlier I did deliver the approaches of the Developing Mathematical Thinking OU module, at least up to the NC, when prescription over-ruled some of previous practice. 

    Btw,my user name is shalteir, (not shelteir) anagram of "last heir", which I derive from the title of a song I wrote about an animal species extinction.  Now being of the supply teacher species, I empathise with the animal species facing extinction. But no hard feelings about the spelling, hard feelings yes about the loss of work to less qualified personnel.

    Happy New Year.

     

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    Posted by: weebecka 01/01/2011 at 23:00
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    shalteir:
    Btw,my user name is shalteir, (not shelteir)
     Embarrassed oh no!
    shalteir:
    But no hard feelings about the spelling
    Thank you
    shalteir:
    as said earlier I did deliver the approaches of the Developing Mathematical Thinking
    Oh - thought you just said you did it, I didn't realise you delivered it!  Are you talking about Developing Mathematical Thinking at KS3 by the way?  If so you might be interested to read this:

    https://www.ncetm.org.uk/community/thread/73300

    Developing Mathematical Thinking at KS3 is still a very good course Smile

    shalteir:
    at least up to the NC, when prescription over-ruled some of previous practice

    most obviously the art of extracting awarenesses from concrete experience.  Here in Cumbria it wasn't the NC that did it, it was all the stuff that came with it which made it a weapon not a guide.

     

     

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    Posted by: shalteir 02/01/2011 at 00:16
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     Some times I might write the NC did.... but I really mean the whole package that came at the time. I usually remember to expresss it correctly. A lot of changes of practice which came in our school weren't prescribed by the NC, but a lot were by perceptions of what OFSTED were thought to be expecting eg cross-curruricula work was dumped in a skip along with anything dated more than a year or two previously.

    "Deliver", I may have chosen the wrong word, not deliver like be a tutor on the OU staff, I enriched my teaching with the content, and justified the LEA paying my fees.

    The course wasn't specifically KS3, but there was mention it was appropriate for primary and KS3. I rarely work with KS3, just occasional supply in middle schools..

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