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weebecka:

The way I think tends to take conversations deeper.  Been that way for a while.  Not doing anything special here. The kind of way I interact with topics here is exactly the way I've done it on many other forums, without causing offence.

I agree with you that this may not be the place to find more analytical discussion.

Sweeping statements, quotations from books and long words do not make a deep conversation in my book.

Despite your protestations that you only fall out with people on this forum I found these quotes interesting:

weebecka:

Most disturbingly our most ignorant and damaging inspector was Jane Jones - who is the chief HMI for maths! (I was head of maths). She clearly had absolutely no idea what I was doing or dealing with and didn't bother to ask.

The reputation of Ofsted would be greatly improved if we could name and shame bad inspectors.

I have seen Jane Jones speak and she seemed to have a very good idea of what a good Maths lesson should look like. 

I find the "Understanding the Score" document one of the clearest descriptions of what good (and bad) Maths teaching looks like and why.  I always direct any trainee Maths teachers to it and have made sure my department have read it.  If Ofsted can produce a publication of that quality then someone there must have an idea of what they are doing.

weebecka:

There are very few people I've annoyed in the maths teaching community, but the people who wrote the Excellence in Maths Leadership Materials for the NCETM.  (EiML) are an obvious exception and there seem to have been issues emanating from there since I pointed out that the materials were inadequate and needed to be rewritten (which they were and they were).

Now that's an interesting one bombaysapphire, but I am not an never have had any interest in a witch hunt against Jane Jones and it's difficult to talk about these issue without seeming like I am.

bombaysapphire:

I have seen Jane Jones speak and she seemed to have a very good idea of what a good Maths lesson should look like. 

bombaysapphire:

I have seen Jane Jones speak and she seemed to have a very good idea of what a good Maths lesson should look like. 

You seen very confident that both you and Jane Jones know what good maths lessons should look like in schools with extreme behaviour where students are in mixed ability groups bombaysapphire.  Which are the appropriate teaching strategies?  How can you tell, as an external advisor who comes in to the lesson for 30 mins and doesn't speak to the teacher, the quality of what's going on?

From the second she walked in to Eheside, all the staff knew that Jane Jones had no relevant experience or insights into schools like ours (unlike some of the other inspectors and we saw a lot, but Jane Jones was our HMI).  The direct conesquences of her intervetions where truly horrific and made is much harder for us to deliver the results which brought us out of special measures.

There would be no issue for me if she showed any insight into the modifications required to Ofsted's remit which would prevent such horror stories in the future. 

Ofsted should be there to clearly define and seek out unacceptable practice.
It should audit a school's self report which should be detailed and available to the public.   
If it is reporting on the quality of provision (of teaching or of wider school facilities) it should do this qualitatively, not quantitatively, and after consutations with the professional about whom they are reporting. 

The quality of provision of something as complex as teaching is multi-faceted and to rate it on one scale is exceptionally superficial.

seriously, if I saw postings like this from a member of staff at my school, which directly identified the member of staff and therefore the school, it would be a disciplinary issue.

your sarcasm about my compassion speaks volumes about you. I'm sure those who know me would put you straight, but frankly I dint particularly care what you think about me as I value the opinions if those whom I respect, and I'm afraid I don't count you amongst them. Sorry.

you seem to think that you are the only person who has suffered the effects of challenging behaviour, sadly this is not the case. Ifyoud taken the time to read any of my posts, or those if other experienced posters on here, you'd know we've been there too. Some of us also face the daily risk of challenging known drug dealers who are sometimes armed on our premises. It goes with the territory, so please don't begin to think you can tell me about challenge. Some of us face it in a daily basis, and stick with it. Rather than quitting and telling everyone else how marvellous we were ( in spite of extensive evidence to the contrary). Hell, some of us even have ofsted reports which say what a fantastic job we're doing in extremely challenging circumstances.

your behaviour on here is shocking. You didn't like the fact that ofsted said you were crap. Bur instead of dealing with it and learning how to get better, you've taken a " weebecka isnever wrong" stance, stamped your feet and bleated on aboutyour HMI. I hope she sues you. I really do. Because you should not be writing things like this on a website and naming and shaming people whom you dislike because they've told you a few home truths.

I hope you're in a union, because I think if/ when your employers see this you might need them

This is becoming quite an interesting thread.  Well worth coming back to read.  Some posters seem to be on form in the holidays.

curlygirly:

Because you should not be writing things like this on a website and naming and shaming

Absolutely, completely I agree!

THERE SHOULD BE ROBUST FEEDBACK LOOPS IN THE OFSTED SYSTEM so that this kind of thing is totally unneccessary.  It's horrible.  I hate it.  

curlygirly:

people whom you dislike

I don't dislike Jane Jones.  But she's got herself into a system which has made her behave in ways which are seriously destructive to schools.  And if she can't fix the system she should leave and go back to teaching.

curlygirly:

they've told you a few home truths

What, like if a school puts in place a consulted and effective withdrawal facility for an extreme cohort it should be shut down immediately no matter what the consequences.?