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    Posted by: curlygirly 30/12/2010 at 09:58
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    Over the last few years I've poste. On here, I've supported numerous colleagues with behaviour issues, career development, management problems, I've posted action plans to literally hundreds of heads, offered advice and been a listening ear to plenty through pms. I've also received plenty of support and advice in return. What I've never done is pretend that I know the answers to everyone's problems because I'm an expert facilitator. On this forum, as in life, you earn respect by what you post, not by telling everyone how marvellous you are.
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    Posted by: curlygirly 30/12/2010 at 10:02
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    Ofsted does have a feedback and complaints system. I used it myself. Despite being judged outstanding a lead inspector made a hugely inappropriate comment about my personal circumstances. I got a full written apology.
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    Posted by: autismuk 30/12/2010 at 10:09
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    weebecka:

    From the second she walked in to Eheside, all the staff knew that Jane Jones had no relevant experience or insights into schools like ours (unlike some of the other inspectors and we saw a lot, but Jane Jones was our HMI).  The direct conesquences of her intervetions where truly horrific and made is much harder for us to deliver the results which brought us out of special measures.

    There would be no issue for me if she showed any insight into the modifications required to Ofsted's remit which would prevent such horror stories in the future. 

     

    All this twaddle means is you didn't agree with her.

    Given your total inability to accept any responsibility for anything at any time, I'm more inclined to suspect the problem is you not her.

     

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    Posted by: weebecka 30/12/2010 at 10:10
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    curlygirly:
    Ofsted does have a feedback and complaints system. I used it myself. Despite being judged outstanding a lead inspector made a hugely inappropriate comment about my personal circumstances. I got a full written apology.
     

    I'm interested in the system being reformed so it is fit for purpose.  You clearly didn't manage that.

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    Posted by: curlygirly 30/12/2010 at 10:14
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    weebecka:

    curlygirly:
    Ofsted does have a feedback and complaints system. I used it myself. Despite being judged outstanding a lead inspector made a hugely inappropriate comment about my personal circumstances. I got a full written apology.
     

    I'm interested in the system being reformed so it is fit for purpose.  You clearly didn't manage that.

    that must be because I'm an ineffectual facilitator eh? If only I'd had an expert like you to help me.
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    Posted by: curlygirly 30/12/2010 at 10:15
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    That was sarcasm by the way. Just in case you're bot bright enough...
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    Posted by: autismuk 30/12/2010 at 10:16
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    weebecka:
    THERE SHOULD BE ROBUST FEEDBACK LOOPS IN THE OFSTED SYSTEM so that this kind of thing is totally unneccessary.  It's horrible.  I hate it.  
     

    It is possible to successfully overturn OFSTEDs judgements. I know this because my children's primary school got an apology from OFSTED for one.

    weebecka:
    I don't dislike Jane Jones.  But she's got herself into a system which has made her behave in ways which are seriously destructive to schools.  And if she can't fix the system she should leave and go back to teaching.

    I think this is really dangerous, and may well get this thread pulled. If I was Ms Jones, I'd be thoroughly annoyed at this.

    weebecka:
    What, like if a school puts in place a consulted and effective withdrawal facility for an extreme cohort it should be shut down immediately no matter what the consequences.?

    Simply because there's got to be more to it than this. HMI/OFSTED can't simply object to withdrawal units per se, because many secondary schools have full blown ones, and most have some sort of withdrawal system (even if only very basic). 

    Problem is, becka, you only ever tell one side of the story, and there's never any sort of acceptance of any fault on your part.

    Most adults know that anything like this isn't black or white, it isn't good vs evil, there's always shades of grey and an alternative viewpoint.

     

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    Posted by: MathsMA 30/12/2010 at 10:28
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    curlygirly:
    On this forum, as in life, you earn respect by what you post, not by telling everyone how marvellous you are.

    Indeed.

    I don't know Weebecka, don't know anyone on this forum in fact, but I simply judge people by how, what and when they post (after allowing for some of the idiosyncracies of the interweb!).

    Additionally, this is not a forum where I would even consider getting hot under the collar about things, go looking for an argument or engage in point scoring (I save that for my desperate football teams forum!!!!!!!).

    For me, this is a place for some good discussion about common Educational/Maths issues, seeking & offering help, unearthing little gems, using it as a sounding board and maybe letting off a bit of steam (not aimed at anyone BTW).

    I have no idea whether or not Weebecka has an agenda at play here, but if this is her real persona then I have to say she comes across as one of the most unprofessional, unpleasant and unhelpful teachers I have ever met in my career.

    The interweb can distort or display things not in the way they were intended, but I can't even give this contributor the benefit of the doubt in this regard. Her approach and modus operandi is somewhere between embarrassing, cringeable and highly unprofessional.

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    Posted by: Lilypop 30/12/2010 at 13:03
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    curlygirly:
    Over the last few years I've poste. On here, I've supported numerous colleagues with behaviour issues, career development, management problems, I've posted action plans to literally hundreds of heads, offered advice and been a listening ear to plenty through pms. I've also received plenty of support and advice in return. What I've never done is pretend that I know the answers to everyone's problems because I'm an expert facilitator. On this forum, as in life, you earn respect by what you post, not by telling everyone how marvellous you are.

     

    This is a bit rich.

    For a number of months you stocked every post I made, tagging each and every one with a 'You don't know what your talking about and your rubbish etc'. with little reverence to the topic other than to comment what great a head you are, and what a wonderful primary school you have created so no one else should have problems in these areas.

    I am sure you considered I deserved this and that you were right to behave in this odd way, but really you should have countered the arguments not the person.

     

    As regards this topic. well as I recall I was a bit surprised at the speed of reaction to Becka initial posts, and even more surprised at the speed of the insults flying. Clearly something unusual was going and I stood well out of it.

    Sure Becka comes over a partonising and I can guess why many educationists would start to bark at that, since their quite fond of a similar approach. Is it a big crime, hardly. The impression I got was of apes fighting for dominance because of a new kid in town. Very childish.

    Seriously whatever someone says on these forums or others like it, there is never any need to resort to insults. As soon as you do, you lose the argument, and beating the chest to reaffirm dominance is hardly impressiive. Clearly this is learnt behaviour that works in a school environment but on a forum it's pretty silly.

    Prehaps wha is lacking in these forums is an 'Ignore the poster' button. I would certianly have had cause to use it where one person was concerned, and in reading this thread I am sure others could make use of such a feature. Ofc this would undermine any Alpha-Male grouping(s) that exist within the various forums. {BTW if such a feature does exist please indicate where}

    As for professionism, well I strongly think this can also be used as technique to keep people in their place and a stock answer to how things are, rather than an explanation of why.  Questioning anything in this area seems to met with a blank wall, as if undermining accepted practice would cause the whole house of cards to fall. There is much that goes for 'professionism' in education and could quite easliy be interpretated as self-interest.

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    Posted by: seren_dipity 30/12/2010 at 13:09
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     Good lord, lilypop - my red pen is supposed to be on holiday but a post littered with so very many spelling and grammar mistakes is setting its bells ringing!  It's almost wondrous in it's awfulness.

    I think you'll find that you meant to say 'professionalism' (twice) - I'll say nothing about the role of accuracy in professionalism.

     

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