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    Posted by: planetx 28/12/2010 at 14:18
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    weebecka:
    the positive ways I've worked to achieve complex, meaningful things on discussion forums.

    I sure we've all seen examples of your 'ways' weebee. None of them positive I'm afraid.

    OTOH, you did post a worksheet that was freely available on many other sites with the innovation on not having any instructions with it.

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    Posted by: DM 28/12/2010 at 14:43
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    weebecka:
    he knew the history of the positive ways I've worked to achieve complex, meaningful things on discussion forums.

    I've actually spent some time this afternoon looking into your contributions to mathematics forums.  You have made a grand total of 37 posts on the ATM forum (supposedly your "inspiration").   Your posts on the National Centre portal are hidden in private members only forums so could hardly be deemed influential.   Your National Centre blog consists of 6 posts.   This example is memorable only because it is breathtakingly crass.

     

    "Systemic Abuse and Ofsted's report on SEN 14th Sept 2010

    The pope's visit has brought the issue of systemic abuse back onto our television screens.

    Why did no-one stop it?  How did it get to be so widespread?  Well when everyone is involved, anyone who complains or can see the problems cannot exist within the system and cannot be appointed or promoted to reach a position to change it.

    Here is a definition of systemic abuse from a document about the care of the elderly.
     

    In institutional settings, some forms of abuse are not always obvious. Subtle emotional harms may occur such as treating older people like children (infantilization) and disregarding their wishes.
    "Systemic abuse" refers to practices that take away a person's independence and dignity. Systemic abuse happens in settings where other people are making decisions for the person. Government bodies and bureaucrats can also be involved in systemic abuse.

    It has never been appropriate or necessary for Ofsted to rate teaching and learning from outstanding downwards.  Ofsted should instead be identifying unacceptable practice.  It should not be dictating what is good and what is outstanding - it is not possible or appropriate for an external regulator to do this in education.  It is only necessary for a government which demands deeply flawed and unreliable measures of school improvement.

    The Ofsted rating system has become systemic.  Just as I take my hat of to the priests who have not been part of the abuse, I take my hat of to the schools who use more sophisticated systems of observation.  It is difficult to buck the system.

    Ofsted should be rushing to the government to say - we can cut our costs by half - just let us inspect schools to check all the key criteria and identify unacceptable practice.  Let the schools produce their own internal reflective reports to be published (together with exam results) and we will audit them when we get to the school.

    Then at last once again we can let teachers focus on the needs of their students rather than their need to jump through hoops for Ofsted.

    The other bit of news today was the Ofsted report on SEN.  Once again I am horrified to see that of the 17 recommendations made, none address the need for reform to Ofsted to allow teachers the freedom they need to respond properly to the needs of their students.

    Is this not rather like the Pope in the 1970s making 17 recommendation for improvements in the self confidence of children in the Catholic church without addressing the church's need to deal with child abuse?"

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    Posted by: jabed 28/12/2010 at 15:53
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    I read the original thread, and whilst I am not responsible for its disappearance I have to say I am not sorry it has gone. I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.

     Surely no one need fear  or feel uncomfortable about anything they have said or  what might be said about them or TES if taken from here? Everyone being kind, helpful and professional as always. The only time to fear or to  have something deleted in my observation, is if you may have said something to be embarrassed about or something that could cast you in a poor light.

     If you post something in a public forum then you have no control over who sees it, how it is used or where it is used, whether or not you consider yourself misrepresented.  Journalists and speakers of all kinds make it their business to do this.  For that reason it is best to think before posting rather than complaining afterwards.

    I posted a couple of comments to the missing thread but since I am moderated  it takes a lot of effort for me to bother to post and even more to come back and continue the debate ( if any) so I do not bother.  I do read and lurk however and I had the thread in my hotlist.

    I have a terrible feeling of deja vu here. Posters and content different but the same old....

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    Posted by: weebecka 28/12/2010 at 21:03
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    DM:

    Let me guess - you contributed to the EiML materials then.

    I don't even know what that acronym means so no.

    Really!  You've suddenly lost the ability to search on the internet?  How unusual.

    And you never having heard of Mark McCourt'n'all.

    Of course you could be telling the truth.  It could be that you didn't contribute to them.  Couldn't it?

    How interesting you should be actively claiming 

    DM:
    Your posts on the National Centre portal are hidden in private members only forums so could hardly be deemed influential.

    now why would you say that.  Slap my thigh I dunno.

    DM:
    Although I am aware of you as a minor player on the periphery of mathematics education, I have never noticed you achieve anything complex or meaningful.

    Despite your repeated detailed scrutiny of my CV?  That's impressive DM. Course you dunno about Mark McCourt's EiML materials having to be rewritten.  Do you now?

     

     

     

    Oh 'n' planetX.  You've repeatedly said that the L-shaped acitvity is published elsewhere with instructions and I've repeatedly asked you for a link.  Once again you haven't given one.  Seems you're just here to spam up the thread in a derogatory way. 

    If anyone can give me a link I'd be very interested.

     

     

    Middlemarch

    On TES no.  Sometimes I just sound off and mess around a bit like everyone else.

    About TES, yes.

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    Posted by: planetx 28/12/2010 at 21:08
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    weebecka:

     

    Oh 'n' planetX.  You've repeatedly said that the L-shaped acitvity is published elsewhere with instructions and I've repeatedly asked you for a link.  Once again you haven't given one.  Seems you're just here to spam up the thread in a derogatory way. 

    Some teachers use thing called Google. You might try it.

    You new little unexplained worksheet come from elsewhere too.

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    Posted by: seren_dipity 28/12/2010 at 21:12
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     Take your pick, weebecka:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=cut+an+l+shape+in+half&btnG=Google+Search#hl=en&expIds=17259,27492&xhr=t&q=cut+an+L+shape+in+half&cp=8&pf=p&sclient=psy&client=firefox-a&hs=Abh&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=cut+an+L+shape+in+half&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=f8d6fd944fbe01e9

     

    Over 9 million hits so I expect that at least one will meet your demand.

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    Posted by: weebecka 28/12/2010 at 21:23
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    planetx:

    Some teachers use thing called Google. You might try it.

    You new little unexplained worksheet come from elsewhere too.

     

    As I said - where?  Geoff might have posted it somewhere, if so I'm genuinely interested.

    JUST POST THE LINK SO THE ISSUE IS RESOLVED rather than just harping on that it exists.

    The second resource was entirely mine.

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    Posted by: DM 28/12/2010 at 21:26
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    weebecka:
    Really!  You've suddenly lost the ability to search on the internet?  How unusual.

    I did Google it.  Let me show you.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=emil+ncetm

    As you can see, it didn't come up with anything.   However, the mystery was solved later when I looked for your NCETM forum posts as it says you belong to a microsite named EiML. 

    weebecka:
    DM:
    Your posts on the National Centre portal are hidden in private members only forums so could hardly be deemed influential.

    now why would you say that.  Slap my thigh I dunno.

     

    Because it is the truth?   All of your posts are in members-only subforums.   I can't read any of them even if I sign in unless I apply to join each subforum.   Perhaps you didn't realise this because you ARE a member of each subforum!?

    weebecka:
    Course you dunno about Mark McCourt's EiML materials having to be rewritten.  Do you now?

    This is the first I have heard of it.   I still don't understand why you think I should know?  

    You have just told Middlemarch you are always positive on all issues "about TES" but when I looked on the ATM website earlier, I found you had posted this:

    "NCETM is managed in real time by a director who moderates and encourages which helps.  It's different to TES because it's more of a community and so is ATM, just a different community (which overlaps)."

    That doesn't sound particularly positive to me. 

     

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    Posted by: DM 28/12/2010 at 21:28
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    Ignore that Emil/Eiml thing.   I have just realised that Google autocorrected my spelling and that's why I didn't find anything.

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    Posted by: weebecka 28/12/2010 at 21:52
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    DM:
    Because it is the truth?

    Er nope you'll find it isn't. 

    The vast majority of my posts are in the cafe, secondary forum and primary forums.  There are a few in the other public forums as you can clearly see.

    There are a few on other forums, most of which you can just click on to join if you're logged in.  There could be up to 100 on concealed forums like EiML but I can't think how there'd be more than that.

    Shame on me for suggesting ATM is more of a community.  Just because the member all know each other and meet up. 

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